Il thread era questo:
http://www.indie-rpgs.com/forge/index.php?topic=31218.0La domanda che ho fatto era:
Q) "It's possible, if the trollbabe player want, to "merge" a old relationship (a single person) with that group, having a single relationship with the group that include that person, now? Instead of dropping the old relationship between adventures? (assuming that the player doesn't want that relationship anymore)"
La risposta:
R)
None of this is allowed, at least, not this simply. You have to follow the rules. I think I need a little bit more of a concrete example in order to explain what to do.Io ho fatto questo esempio:
Q) "A previous relationship of the same trollbabe was a bouncer in a tavern. He really could be one of the band, so that I can easily see him as a new recruit. The trollbabe is not showing him any more attention, nothing that could make him stand out from the group. At this stage she has no intention of losing that relationship, but the way the game is going I can easily see her fill up her sheet with bigger and more powerful relationships all the time, until that first one will only be a waste of space. And I was wondering (the issue didn't come up in play) if, when she will want to free that space, the only option will be to remove him from the fiction, or if he could simply be "recruited" by a larger relationship (a new cutthroat in that band, for example)"
Risposta:
R)
All of this seems needlessly complicated to me. First, if the player wants to retain the individual Relationship as what you perceive as a “waste of space,” then she can. So I’m not seeing any problem that needs solving.
Second, a Relationship can be dissolved completely freely between adventures, as you say. What you’re asking, if I understand it correctly, is whether the bouncer can remain in the fiction as a character, but is subsumed into the Relationship defined as the band of cutthroats.
This would be OK by the rules, being of no particular rules-relevance at all. Note that “the bouncer” can be role-played as such, i.e., individually by the GM in the future, but only as a sub-set or nuance of how he or she role-plays the overall cutthroat/con-men band.Avevo anche chiesto, nello stesso post:
Q) "A different case: what if the trollbabe had made that first relationship the chief of the second, the chief of the band of cutthroats? I mean, instead of "dissolving" him into a faceless mass of characters, had made him the "new face" of a bigger relationship."
R:
Wait … this is almost impossible for me to follow. The player begins by taking an individual Relationship, with this chief guy. Fine, that is normal. During the adventure and later, he is a Relationship, and the band itself is not. And then when the Scale is increased, she takes the band itself as a Relationship? This can go two ways.
i) She has two Relationships now. That’s easy.
ii) She abandons the first, chieftain Relationship and now has only one. But the chieftain is still present, merely as a feature of the band. That is OK.
It really helps in all these cases to get rid of the idea of “absorbing” Relationships into one another, and merely think of creating and dissolving Relationships. If it bothers you, then I suggest making sure that when the new (group) Relationship is formed during play then be sure to include either the bouncer or the chieftain, very clearly, as a group member at that time.Come vedi, non era la stessa domanda che hai fatto tu in questo thread, ma illustra come si usano le relationship di diversa scala: le relationship non "cambiano", non si fondono, non si mischiano, a livello di meccaniche (possono farlo a livello di Fiction), ma si può mollare una relazione e inserire il personaggio, nella fiction, all'interno di un gruppo con cui hai (o stabilirai dopo) una relazione.
Alla stessa maniera, secondo me anche se un gruppo di persona aumenta di numero, non aumenti la scala della relazione. La relazione ce l'hai ancora con il gruppo originale o con i diretti sostituti (se ne è morto qualcuno o si è aggiunta qualche persona nella fiction), la folla di gente che arriva dopo no, la gioca il GM.
Però puoi prendere il gruppo più grande come relazione quando la trollbabe è di scala adeguata. E puoi decidere di mollare la relazioni con il gruppo ristretto o no (nel caso che descrivi, direi che dovresti farlo, e poi prenderli nella relazione più grande per non incasinare le cose con relazioni con "tutti questi qui meno questi"
Insomma, le relazioni si prendono e si mollano. Fine. Non cambiano, non aumentano, possono solo essere prese e mollate.
Ron non lo dice, ma assumo che comunque valgano le regole normali: puoi mollarle quando ti pare, le prendi solo dopo un conflitto.
Notare che "l'Esercito del Regno di Aquilonia" ha un nome. Non puoi prendertelo automaticamente...